Wei accepted in pre-trial intervention

Remember Molly Wei?  Wei and her friend Dharun Ravi were charged after they used a webcam to watch Ravi’s roommate in an intimate encounter.  Wei, 19, is being accepted into a pre-trial intervention program that will require her to testify against Ravi.  Ravi was charged with bias intimidation, invasion of privacy and witness tampering.

Her attorney has been blathering on the news about restoring her reputation and how she did nothing wrong.  Because if you say it over and over, undoubtedly some people will begin to believe you.


8 thoughts on “Wei accepted in pre-trial intervention

  1. Lori Drew never spent a minute in jail for Megan Meier’s suicide.

    While I do think bullying is wrong, I think there is a lot more to a suicide than the alleged crime.
    You can be sure that if Molly and Ravi were white, and the victim was Asian, no one would even care, or it would be chalked up to Asian American rates of suicide, which would then be blamed on all the pressure that Asian American’s face from their parents.
    I simply don’t agree with this severe punishment, until everybody else faces the same.
    And blaming this incident for a suicide is way too simplistic, there is a lot of questions to be answered before I could ever change my mind in supporting Molly Wei, and yes, even Ravi deserves some compassion, in my opinion.

  2. Yeah, you used the “If Perp were white and Victim were Asian, no one would care” thing in the last post, too. You know, I think we’re all familiar with white privilege and we know the routine, otherwise we wouldn’t be here on this blog. You’re probably right about that, too, because we’ve seen it happen before.

    I’m bisexual. In my world, the privileged class is also straight, so trust me, I’m veeeeery familiar with how it works.

    But it doesn’t make any difference here, at least not to me. We can recite “how privilege works” all day long but it doesn’t matter. The point is people OUGHT to care about the victim no matter what the race of he and the perps, no matter who the victim is and no matter who committed the crime, and the punishment SHOULD be severe because you basically pushed someone to kill themselves.

    So it kind of frustrates me a bit when I see you, Kathy, going on about white privilege in a case about homophobic bullying, ignoring the homophobia angle and pretty much talking like you want to give these two assholes a hug, fresh cookies and a warm cup of tea, sit down with them and tell them it’s going to be all right.

    You know what it feels like when you’re trying to discuss racism, and some big ol’ white nationalist dipshit from the backwash of Kansas staggers into the conversation and starts ranting about his imagined persecution?

    Yeeeeah, kind of the same concept.

    Why should she or Ravi get any kind of compassion? Ravi planned to record Tyler while he had sex, and Molly gave Ravi permission to use her computer to record Clamenti. If she hadn’t, Ravi wouldn’t have had anything to film him with.

    Are you mad because of the severity of the crime? Then I’m with you! All cases of crimes like this should be this severe!

    You don’t invade someone else’s privacy for your own amusement, especially when the victim was driven to suicide. Their crime should be punished severely because it was a severe, ugly case of bullying, and if these little bastards had been white, you bet I’d be saying the same goddamn thing. Giving fatal bullying, especially HOMOPHOBIC bullying, a pardon is wrong, for all parties involved.

  3. The severity of the charges does concern me, especially since we don’t know or have all the facts of this case, but yet, the desire for a conviction and revenge of these two young adults is overwhelming.
    I don’t condone bullying, nor violence, which, Clemente committed a violent act against himself instead of other people. Should all the people who have teased and bullied who were murdered in school shootings be also indicted?
    If you want to condone violent action in response to verbal, then I would totally disagree with you on that point.
    Privilege is a double standard, and I still feel that that applies to this case..

  4. We don’t have every last speck of dust that one could bring to trial, but we’ve bagged enough evidence to paint a pretty cohesive picture of what happened, so I would argue that we have significant facts to back this up.

    To answer your second paragraph, yes. If the bullying is so severe that it drives someone to kill themselves, then I think the punishment for those directly responsible for pushing someone to the brink should also be severe. It’s not the death penalty, it’s not even 80 to life, but a slap on the wrist and Cosgrove’s “cut it out,” isn’t going to suffice. If these people haven’t learned in college that invading someone’s privacy is wrong, then the wake-up call needs to stick with them.

    I don’t “want to condone violence in response to verbal.” I don’t believe I ever said anything of the sort. This was not a verbal crime, it was an invasion of someone’s privacy, and I think the suicide that resulted should be a strong factor in the verdict, but that is all. Nothing more and nothing less.

  5. And before someone chimes in with that old chestnut, “suicide is a choice,” basic psychology and sociology teaches us that people all have a connection with each other and it manifests in how we react to social interaction. If your actions manage to trigger someone else’s traumatic memories, like telling a rape joke to a rape victim, then sure, you can argue that they, on some level, chose to react, but reactions can be involuntary, and if you hadn’t pushed them there with the rape joke, they probably wouldn’t have gone there.

    Suicide is the result of someone who isn’t well feeling they have no recourse, but they sure as hell never get to that conclusion on their own. It is a choice, but it isn’t a RATIONAL one, and they can’t be completely at fault if someone else or other factors pushed them to that conclusion.

    Don’t dismiss Clamenti just because he killed himself. Ravi and Wei helped him get to that point. They were the catalysts in his final decision, and if they had even so much as respected his privacy when he asked, maybe he’d still be alive.

  6. Hi Seegz,
    I am not defending bullying, or anything like that, I just happen to believe that the charges do not match the crime, when compared to White people, such as the Lori Drew case, I already mentioned, or the John White case, in which a white teenager created an internet hoax that resulted in the confrontation at Mr. White’s home. That teenager was never charged with any crime whatsoever, it was just swept under a rug. But Mr. White when to prison and wasn’t released until Gov. Paterson pardoned him.
    Double standards are unequal treatment.
    As to what led up to Mr. Clementi’s suicide, no we really don’t know, unless you have more specific information. He drove an hour to his hometown, did he speak with his parents? Did they reject him? Have they ever rejected him? Did the man he had relationship with reject him? We just don’t know the entire sequence of events that led up to that moment in time.
    I am very horrified by what happened. I have witnessed bullying, and to be honest, been the target of homophobic bullying due to a family member. As you probably know, family members are also taunted, teased and humiliated, especially when young.

    I also did read the internet chatroom conversations that supposedly were Mr. Clementi’s discussion of the problem with his roommate, and he did not sound distressed in the least, I believe he was going to ask for a different roommate, and talk to someone at the school. He was also smart enough to have the support he needed from other ppl in the GLBT community. So I feel that there is more to this tragedy than we know, and that the two students who invaded his privacy were wrong, but they are not guilty of his suicide, Mr. Clementi is.
    Take care now.

  7. I concede, you know a lot more about this than I do. If what you’re saying is true, then perhaps I need to re-think my own position on the matter.

    I apologize for being belligerent. This is a tender subject for me.

  8. It is a tender subject, I agree, and no, you were not belligerent, you are passionate, a good thing:).

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